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Jamie War · Sep 02, 2010, 07:20 AM // 07:20

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I also said i refuse to run the popular builds, I live outside the meta, because it is funner that way. I don't use HB or UA when healing, even in elite areas and HM. I don't run Imbagon on my Para (my main), I don't run ER on my ele, I have fun this way, living in the meta means you do not know any other way of playing.

if you run the meta on your skill bar doesnt mean that you dont know anything about other ways of playing, the meta is commonly the best build, so people want you to run it because they wanna win

Morphy · Sep 02, 2010, 09:27 AM // 09:27

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Originally Posted by WarcryOfTruth

See above.

I also said i refuse to run the popular builds, I live outside the meta, because it is funner that way. I don't use HB or UA when healing, even in elite areas and HM. I don't run Imbagon on my Para (my main), I don't run ER on my ele, I have fun this way, living in the meta means you do not know any other way of playing.

In closing, I HATE SPIRIT SPAMMING!!!

PvE in its entirety is boring and requires little to no skill to play. Your splinter barrage is no exception: ball up, splinter weapon, barrage. Done. Stop acting all high and mighty, the only difference between you and the meta players you loathe is that they want to do stuff in an effective manner.

I've given you a way to keep playing your shitty build while also getting the benefits of the SoS rit, but you really are just playing non-meta builds because you don't like the pictures. You're the kind of player that isn't only incompetent like the entire PvE side of the game but also the kind of player that is stubborn and obnoxious. And you think you have the right to put all of this in a section about stupid people? Shame on you, you truly are the stereotypical example of a noob.

BlackSephir · Sep 02, 2010, 12:06 PM // 12:06

Yesterday in FA I "met" a Dervish/Mesmer with Avatar of Balthazar and a bunch of mesmer skills. When I asked wtf he's doing he said he's a mesmer because he has mesmers' staff.

Voodoo Rage · Sep 02, 2010, 02:26 PM // 14:26

Some new guy in my guild keeps posting in the guild chat that he is lost on level 1 of the Gate Too Far mission and can't find the exit. Everyone is trying to figure out where he is and finally I just post "Just type /wiki Gate Too Far and you'll see a nice map directing you to the exit and explaining the mission to you."

He replies, "I never use wiki, because it has mistakes." But then spends the next half and hour clogging up league chat with stuff like "OK, I'm standing in front of a wall of ice, which way do I go?".

Cuilan · Sep 02, 2010, 02:42 PM // 14:42

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Originally Posted by WarcryOfTruth

I also said i refuse to run the popular builds, I live outside the meta, because it is funner that way. I don't use HB or UA when healing, even in elite areas and HM. I don't run Imbagon on my Para (my main), I don't run ER on my ele, I have fun this way, living in the meta means you do not know any other way of playing.

Meta doesn't determine how a build works. You're shunning meta builds for an invalid reason. Playing meta builds doesn't necessarily mean someone doesn't create their own builds or understand how to other skills interact with each other. You're choosing to be often less efficient just to feel cool and different.

Skyy High · Sep 02, 2010, 03:48 PM // 15:48

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Originally Posted by Morphy

I've given you a way to keep playing your shitty build while also getting the benefits of the SoS rit, but you really are just playing non-meta builds because you don't like the pictures. You're the kind of player that isn't only incompetent like the entire PvE side of the game but also the kind of player that is stubborn and obnoxious. And you think you have the right to put all of this in a section about stupid people? Shame on you, you truly are the stereotypical example of a noob.

Lulz. Splinter barrage is a "shitty build" now, in a quest with huge, easily balled, high-armor mobs? And spirit spamming is the god-sent build that trumps all others? Really?

Spirit spamming is boring. Splinter barrage is as effective (if not moreso) than SoS in that particular mission. These are facts. The guy isn't trying to claim that his Spirit's Strength build pwnzors SoS or anything crazy like that, so why are you being so frickin' obstinate? You want to talk about ironic posts in this thread...

Morphy · Sep 02, 2010, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

Lulz. Splinter barrage is a "shitty build" now, in a quest with huge, easily balled, high-armor mobs? And spirit spamming is the god-sent build that trumps all others? Really?

Spirit spamming is boring. Splinter barrage is as effective (if not moreso) than SoS in that particular mission. These are facts. The guy isn't trying to claim that his Spirit's Strength build pwnzors SoS or anything crazy like that, so why are you being so frickin' obstinate? You want to talk about ironic posts in this thread...

Yes, and Volley SoS does both roles at the same time. You're getting (nearly, you get one less splinter triggered) the same amount of AoE damage splinter barrage does while retaining single target pressure and body-blocking spirits, which is in itself a very powerful mechanic worth spending your emtire skill bar on instead of just your elite. The argument that spirit spamming is boring doesn't apply for the simple fact that you're now also splinter volleying. If that's boring, then so is Splinter Barrage. In other words, it's a more versatile (=more effective) build that is equally fun (as far as anything in PvE can be called that) as Splinter Barrage and he doesn't want to use it, why? Because SoS is a meta skill.

My problem with this guy is not that he uses poor skill bars but that he uses poor skill bars because he wants to be cool and different (see lolcat above) and QQs on this forum because people in his party (rightfully) call him out on it and tell him what proper skill bars he could use instead, even calling them stupid in the process. Other than that, his stance towards people that use meta bars (IF YOU PLAY META, YOU CAN'T DO ANYThING ElSE and other such statements) is really annoying. Nice try, though.

WarcryOfTruth · Sep 02, 2010, 05:43 PM // 17:43

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Originally Posted by Morphy

Yes, and Volley SoS does both roles at the same time. You're getting (nearly, you get one less splinter triggered) the same amount of AoE damage splinter barrage does while retaining single target pressure and body-blocking spirits, which is in itself a very powerful mechanic worth spending your emtire skill bar on instead of just your elite. The argument that spirit spamming is boring doesn't apply for the simple fact that you're now also splinter volleying. If that's boring, then so is Splinter Barrage. In other words, it's a more versatile (=more effective) build that is equally fun (as far as anything in PvE can be called that) as Splinter Barrage and he doesn't want to use it, why? Because SoS is a meta skill.

My problem with this guy is not that he uses poor skill bars but that he uses poor skill bars because he wants to be cool and different (see lolcat above) and QQs on this forum because people in his party (rightfully) call him out on it and tell him what proper skill bars he could use instead, even calling them stupid in the process. Other than that, his stance towards people that use meta bars (IF YOU PLAY META, YOU CAN'T DO ANYThING ElSE and other such statements) is really annoying. Nice try, though.

You're right, that was a strong statement. I apologize, but I like my style of playing. It isn't because SoS is a meta skill that i don't use it, I don't use it because when it is on a bar, once the spirits are set, you stand around and do nothing. At least when shooting a bow, I am actively.... shooting the bow....

About PvE being boring. I disagree, I have had my fun in HA and the Hall of Heroes in my earlier years of Guild Wars, since then I have not been able to find myself able to go back to it. I like the challenge of PvE, at least in the way I and those I associate with play it, because it is different. Steamrolling PvE is not fun to me, so I avoid using those builds that allow for that.

Cuilan: You said I was choosing to be less efficient. Maybe so, but a lot of times I am more efficient. But efficiency isn't the name of the game anyway. If we are in say... the Underworld, and are there for 3 hours, when we can easily break one hour using a different team set up, that to me doesn't promote teamwork and "togetherness" for lack of a better word

. In those teams, everyone splits up and does their own quest, I don't like that, because then only certain individuals only learn certain areas of the UW and what not. Basically, sure, the way I do things may be different, but at least in my opinion, I am playing it the way it was intended. By that I mean in the sense of taking the proper amount of time to complete an elite area, while sure there are no "proper" times, but I always felt UW was an area that was supposed to take at least 2 hours, perhaps 3. Maybe I am wrong, but those are my feelings

Skyy High · Sep 02, 2010, 06:53 PM // 18:53

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Originally Posted by Morphy

Yes, and Volley SoS does both roles at the same time. You're getting (nearly, you get one less splinter triggered) the same amount of AoE damage splinter barrage does

A single extra activation of splinter weapon is worth 150 damage. Further, that's not taking into account all of the other buffs that you SHOULD be stacking on yourself if you're running a proper splinter-barrage, all of which will trigger off of as many arrows as you can, and you will certainly be able to get bigger groups than the 4 that Volley will hit.

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while retaining single target pressure and body-blocking spirits, which is in itself a very powerful mechanic worth spending your emtire skill bar on instead of just your elite.

Except that, as already pointed out, AoE spike damage >> single target "pressure" in this quest. Further, if you're in the back barraging, how the heck are you going to be body blocking with your spirits? Run forward every 30 seconds or so to refresh them? Hey look, there goes your DPS down the tubes. Even further, melee foes aren't terribly much trouble in this quest, it's the large balls of casters that are trouble (and the melee foes that ARE problems - the jades - will kill a few spirits in 2 seconds because of Spectral Agony auto-applied on hit).

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The argument that spirit spamming is boring doesn't apply for the simple fact that you're now also splinter volleying. If that's boring, then so is Splinter Barrage. In other words, it's a more versatile (=more effective) build that is equally fun (as far as anything in PvE can be called that) as Splinter Barrage and he doesn't want to use it, why? Because SoS is a meta skill.

Juggling all of your personal buffs and finding the right targets to barrage are far more engaging than pooping out your spirits and running around shadow stepping them away from AoE and melee foes. As for versatility = effectiveness: not if the most effective thing you can do is to get the giant mobs of Jade Cloaks down as fast as possible.

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My problem with this guy is not that he uses poor skill bars but that he uses poor skill bars because he wants to be cool and different (see lolcat above) and QQs on this forum because people in his party (rightfully) call him out on it and tell him what proper skill bars he could use instead, even calling them stupid in the process. Other than that, his stance towards people that use meta bars (IF YOU PLAY META, YOU CAN'T DO ANYThING ElSE and other such statements) is really annoying. Nice try, though.

My problem with you is that you're exactly the kind of close-minded "META IS GOD" kind of player that doesn't even think if the build they're advocating is, in fact, the best build for the situation. In most situations, SoS IS the right choice. Here, in this quest, it is not, and you're continuing to insist that it is, JUST because it's the meta build.

I'm not a "everyone is a perfect snowflake" kind of guy. I use the most effective builds, and I tell people who use trash builds to change them. My problem here is that a rit running splinter barrage is NOT a trash build, particularly in this situation. It is, at the absolute worst, a viable build that works in the situation; my opinion is that it's the BEST build for the situation, but at the very least you cannot deny that it works and it works damn well. Putting SoS in there for him to poop out will do next to nothing for his team; if he's not babysitting spirits, they'll get caught in some AoE (and there is plenty) and killed before they ever do significant damage. Spirit spamming is a useful build because of it's massive single-target damage potential, a potential that is completely wasted if you're not hexing your targets and saving your spirits from harm. What extra damage he loses by not bringing them will be more than compensated by an extra 3 arrows (plus a +10 damage boost on all of his arrows from Barrage itself) triggering stuff like Favorable Winds, EBSoH, Splinter Weapon, IaTS!, and BUH!

His "if you can't play meta, you can't play anything else," stance is absurd. Your "if you're not playing meta, you're an idiot, regardless of what content you're doing," stance is equally absurd. Splinter-barrage is perfectly viable in this situation, it's not a shit build, and saying that Volley does "just as good" a job as Barrage is false. Are we quite clear yet?

Sword Hammer Axe · Sep 02, 2010, 07:00 PM // 19:00

A guy was LFGing for Oolas Lab dungeon in Rata sum international. As if LFGing in international districts weren't bad enough, the following conversation followed, seeing as I was going to do that dungeon anyways.

me: Hi there, you can come with me if you don't mind doing it HM.
him: You serious? We need a full party for HM so that would take some time.
me: Dw. I've done it HM with H/H before, so I'm confident I can do it again

him: Yeah right...
me: No, seriously, I've done it before o.o
him: I've tried it with Discordway and I died on the first level. If that can't do it nothing can.
me: Well I never use Discordway so can't say anything about its efficiency in that dungeon, but I did it on HM without. Don't you wanna give it a try?
him: No. You're lying.
me: I'm not... look if you don't wanna do it fine, I'll do it myself.
(around an hour later)
me: Well I did it. Looks like Discordway alone isn't enough to bring you succes, huh?
him: Seriously just stop with the lies, you're not fooling anyone...

I just stopped pming him then. Was simply too ridiculous...

Neith · Sep 02, 2010, 07:26 PM // 19:26

the only thing i can say about that sword hammer axe is oye vay....i'd headbang if i really wanted the headache but people like that make the head ache worse then banging the head.....

Sword Hammer Axe · Sep 02, 2010, 08:13 PM // 20:13

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Originally Posted by Neith

the only thing i can say about that sword hammer axe is oye vay....i'd headbang if i really wanted the headache but people like that make the head ache worse then banging the head.....

Hahaha, well said

Aba · Sep 02, 2010, 08:50 PM // 20:50

In speed clear Soo...
Entire pug group starts talking about there weps....
Random guy then starts saying he needs a Voltaic spear...
I ask why
He says, in order to get his build finished..
Hes under the impression to have a perfect SF build, you need a Voltaic spear and Tormented shield......
Im still hope'n this was one big joke. cause im amazed he was able to get enough ecto for a tormented shield, let alone make it that far outta pre searing.

WarcryOfTruth · Sep 02, 2010, 09:16 PM // 21:16

Well Aba, I know I don't have anywhere near enough money for an Armbrace or a tormented weapon. But maybe he got an Armbrace out of a Coffer, I did a few days ago

. However I don't understand the hype for the Voltie or the Tormented Shield, they don't look good at all...

Jamie War · Sep 03, 2010, 05:58 AM // 05:58

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Well Aba, I know I don't have anywhere near enough money for an Armbrace or a tormented weapon. But maybe he got an Armbrace out of a Coffer, I did a few days ago . However I don't understand the hype for the Voltie or the Tormented Shield, they don't look good at all...

i think i look handsome with my torm shield and vs

Elri · Sep 03, 2010, 06:12 PM // 18:12

Skyy High · Sep 03, 2010, 08:52 PM // 20:52

That was fantastic Elri.

Mia Clemons · Sep 03, 2010, 09:06 PM // 21:06

This comes following an MQSC a group needed a Btank.....
i keep his/her name anonymous for obvious reasons....

Party leader: GLF Btank to go!
Me: {I'll go.}
Party Leader: {Are you a perma?}
Me: {no....permas cant do btank...or anything besides finisher or runner...}
Party Leader: {idiot, permas are the only tanks in the game}
Me: {Are you serious? MQSC was designed for Monks/Rits, 600's are the tanks}
Party Leader: {omg noob, just stfu and go play somewhere else. We need a perma for btank!}
Me: {lol, good luck with that}

i love ignorance

Guy Incognito · Sep 04, 2010, 01:19 PM // 13:19

Might not be stupid to most but it is from where i'm sitting...

I just got declared a leecher in RA because my connection decided to die for a couple of minutes.

How exactly am I supposed to contribute to the team if i'm not even connected to the damn game?? O.o

AngelWJedi · Sep 04, 2010, 02:54 PM // 14:54

was in la trying to buy para tomes when i saw the weirdist ad. someone kept spamming in trade/local WTB B H U U M 7k. i didnt know weither to laugh at the misspell of dhuum or the fact he could think he would get one for 7k. xD

then had someone in ac ask why he couldnt add a ebon title skill to his hero bar. was like ack its broke why wont it let me add it?! XD